Profound or icky? You decide

[daveshans]

Originally Posted by darkman

That argument is so bullshit that it can be refuted by a Cracked article:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18591...-costumes.html
http://www.cracked.com/blog/the-5-mo...hero-costumes/

Yeah it's not every case and some things like high heel etc are completely impractical (for those that can't fly at least) but you can't say this

is less revealing than this
.

The impracticalities of actually making the costume opens up a whole other can of worms which also contains most of Batman's gadgets, Starktech, web shooters etc.

ETA: After re-reading the original link I noticed Ben Grimm is wearing more than usual.

[darkman]

Maybe not. But it isn't helping your case that her costume includes stripper boots and gloves. It also show the absurdity of the boob size of super heroines, a fit woman wouldn't be sporting the double d that Miss Marvel does.

[daveshans]

Originally Posted by darkman

Maybe not. But it isn't helping your case that her costume includes stripper boots and gloves.

Jus as a matter of interest what is, in your opinion, appropriate super hero(ine) attire?

Originally Posted by darkman

It also show the absurdity of the boob size of super heroines, a fit woman wouldn't be sporting the double d that Miss Marvel does.

Yes, if their abilities were the result of exercise and not the myriad of acccidents and experiments gone wrong that did occur.

[darkman]

Originally Posted by daveshans

Jus as a matter of interest what is, in your opinion, appropriate super hero(ine) attire?

I'm a big fan of Renee Montoya as the Question, it's both cool and not sexist:

Yes, if their abilities were the result of exercise and not the myriad of acccidents and experiments gone wrong that did occur.

I always found it kinda weird that while both the Hulk and She Hulk were vitcimt of experiments gone wrong one turned into a monstrous being while the other turned into a hot woman in skimpy clothing.

[daveshans]

Originally Posted by darkman

I'm a big fan of Renee Montoya as the Question, it's both cool and not sexist:

That's not very practical for crime fighting, a suit isn't the most flexible item of clothing.

Originally Posted by darkman

I always found it kinda weird that while both the Hulk and She Hulk were vitcimt of experiments gone wrong one turned into a monstrous being while the other turned into a hot woman in skimpy clothing.

It wasn't the same process. Hulk was created in a gamma bomb explosion whereas She-Hulk was created by post-Hulk Bruce Banner giving his cousin an emergency blood transfusion. The effect would have been diluted. If Bruce were to give a male cousin of his a transfusion I would think he'd end up closer to She-Hulk than Hulk

I believe She-Hulks costume is styled after weight lifting gear. The Hulks costume, for lack of a better word, isn't exactly free flowing either.

[Fricky]

Yes, generally womens costumes are more revealing than men's* and it's something that needs to be improved. I don't think it's a "one size fits all" argument though. It varies by character.
For instance, I and a lot of other fans (male and female) don't think there was anything wrong with Power Girl's boob window or the size of her boobs in general. Some woman are that well endowed and her overall build was larger(fitting the "Power" name) and it was acknowledged in story that she was such, and it gave her an interesting character aspect in that all she had to do to be taken more seriously was cover up, but she refused to because she considered it everyone else's problem, not hers. That confidence and "don't give a crap" attitude is what made her more appealing to me than the constantly angsty, stick thin jailbait Supergirl we had for the last several years.
I'm also for giving Wonder Woman trousers. Not that I mind the shorts, but I don't find the IDEA of trousers to be as sacriligious as some fans certainly seemed to last year, forcing DC to undo the change. The recent PG redesign was also met with some scorn, and it shows that even when comics companies try to do right, they can still end up getting grief just for changing something so long associated with the character.

*Less practical though? Maybe but even men's costumes have some stupid design features. The disadvantages of capes were of course highlighted in The Incredibles, and various other characters have elements that are stupid or liabilities when you think about it. Like, why did Deathstroke used to wear pirate boots? Big and bulky, and liable to catch on something, not the most sensible wear for mercenary work.

[Happy-Hangman]

Originally Posted by Fricky

I'm also for giving Wonder Woman trousers. Not that I mind the shorts, but I don't find the IDEA of trousers to be as sacriligious as some fans certainly seemed to last year, forcing DC to undo the change. The recent PG redesign was also met with some scorn, and it shows that even when comics companies try to do right, they can still end up getting grief just for changing something so long associated with the character.

Long association isn't really the issue. It's heritage. WW is supposed to be a warrior, and her costume was conceived as a practical - if decorous - variation of the outfits worn in the arena by gladiatrix. That artists from the '50s to the '70s represented it, more often than not, as a star-spangled bathing-costume is incidental - and it's an error which the original Crisis set aright. She's been in battle-dress ever since.

She's not an alien or a science-themed hero, she's of a more ancient and arcane origin - the daughter of Zeus, in the new continuity - a difference which her outfit should acknowledge. The bloody awful leather jacket and leggins combo we saw during Straczinski's pissing-awful run made her look just like every other 'edgy' young female comic heroine conceived by a middle aged man over the past thirty years..

[windknight]

Originally Posted by daveshans

They are revealling but I'm not sure if they are wholly impractical, especially on the more indestructible superheroes. A lot of costumes are no more revealing than those of female track and field athletes or gymnasts.

however, male athletes wear clothes that generally don't cover much more than that of female athletes, but you don't see male heroes wearing similar attire.

[Fricky]

Originally Posted by Happy-Hangman

Long association isn't really the issue. It's heritage. WW is supposed to be a warrior, and her costume was conceived as a practical - if decorous - variation of the outfits worn in the arena by gladiatrix. That artists from the '50s to the '70s represented it, more often than not, as a star-spangled bathing-costume is incidental - and it's an error which the original Crisis set aright. She's been in battle-dress ever since.

See, I didn't know that(though didn't she actually have a skirt in the Golden Age?), and I can understand that, but no one really explained it like that on the message boards I was on that the time. It was all just about changing something long standing. And looking up golden age pics, it still looks like a bathing suit in general. It only really looks more warrior like to me when it incorporates that greco-roman skirt piece that sometimes gets used.

Also in defense of the JMS costume. Design aside, it made sense in that particular story as she was meant to be in hiding and not even out doing superheroics, so a look with more contemporary clothes that don't scream warrior made sense. Also, from a practical perspective, a jacket does add one thing to Wonder Woman's costume...pockets. Where does she keep her loose change in her regular costume??

[darkman]

Originally Posted by daveshans

That's not very practical for crime fighting, a suit isn't the most flexible item of clothing.

On the other hand she doesn't look like stripper so I consider that a win.

It wasn't the same process. Hulk was created in a gamma bomb explosion whereas She-Hulk was created by post-Hulk Bruce Banner giving his cousin an emergency blood transfusion. The effect would have been diluted. If Bruce were to give a male cousin of his a transfusion I would think he'd end up closer to She-Hulk than Hulk

It wasn't the same process because they didn't want a super heroine that didn't cater to the male readers.

I believe She-Hulks costume is styled after weight lifting gear. The Hulks costume, for lack of a better word, isn't exactly free flowing either.

First of all that's a very loose interpretation of the design of lifting gear:

Second, the Hulk's costume might not be free flowing but at least the torn jeans saves him from covers like this: