The Doctor and Rose: Romantic or just plain creepy?

[Secretsquirrel]

Originally Posted by Clown Asylum

Ergh, the Doctor is a paeeedophile!!! = Doctor Who fandom at its finest.

While we're on the subject, why not bring up that whole Buffy/Angel thing again?

Yeah FTR! lol

*Giggles* Perhaps it was because she wanted a sugar daddy?

[Hex2]

Hey, sorry it’s taken me so long to reply to this, life’s been hectic.

Boo wrote

...was Rose definitely only 18?? I thought Billie Piper was playing a character around about the same age she was, making Rose in her early/mid twenties at the time with the Doctor looking to be in his mid thirties. I never found it creepy anyway. I did like the romance, it suited Ten being the emo character he was. I'd like if the romance angle was given a rest for a bit now though.

Apparently, Rose was nineteen at the beginning of the new series (sorry about that guys – should have checked before starting the topic! I had some idea that Rose was eighteen for some reason) Still icky.

glunark wrote

I'm sorry, but the OP's first post about an 18 year old girl being with a 40 year old man being creepy is really offensive to anyone with a partner that has a significant age gap.

I’m not really sure how my post is really all that offensive, to be honest. I think there’s a huge difference between those relationships and The Ninth/Tenth Doctor and Rose’s ‘relationship’.

glunark wrote

And in terms of the show, while Rose fell for the 9th Doc, I never got the feeling he was in love with her until he regenerated.

The lever scene at the beginning of The End of The World, his dancing monologue and annoyance and rivalship with at Captatin Jack in The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances and his aggression towards Mickey does seem to suggest The Ninth Doctor did have feelings for Rose.

Clown Assylum wrote:

While we're on the subject, why not bring up that whole Buffy/Angel thing again?

Not to offend anyone, I'm a huge Buffy fan, but it’s hard to watch Buffy as an adult and NOT be creeped out about the whole Buffy/Angel relationship, so maybe it is worth bringing up again?

[runalong]

Hmm not really creeped out sometimes you fall for someone older than you and neithEr seems to end well in Buffy or Who. I think it's your personal view so you're entitled to it

[glunark]

You seem to have major issues with people having age gaps in their relationships Hex, can you not see how that might be offensive to someone in a relationship with an age gap?

[Richard L]

Number 9 would never have acted on his love for her. However Number 10 was in effect 'born' in front of her and took her accent in a strange form of imprinting. If anything Rose snatched Number 10 from the cradle.

He loved her, and she loved him. Apparently the Doctor has a 'Mum' so is no longer off a genetic loom, so why not? They have the parts that match. (How the hell that is possible in a universe of possible forms is something we all try to forget.)

The problem in creepiness was not down to anything to do with ick factor. I'm as much of a bigot as the next person, but the real problem was emotional not biological. I could find and still cannot find any reason for Doc to be obsessed with Rose. She is utterly irritating, very gobby and chavvy, and that old snob No. 3 would have tried to avoid her on principle, or taken a more grandfatherly guiding role, not sexual.

Rose is utterly unappealing as a personality to a lot of people. The Doctor is charming. Therein lies the rub. Nothing more sinister than that.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by glunark

You seem to have major issues with people having age gaps in their relationships Hex, can you not see how that might be offensive to someone in a relationship with an age gap?

I do think there's a slight difference between discussing people in real life having age gap romances, and an opinion on fictional characters one of whom is quite young and the other an alien thousands of years old.
Sorry, but to claim this is 'offensive' just seems a way of closing down a discussion, when quite frankly, within this (and other) fictional world(s), its maybe something that can be remarked upon and given some intelligent discussion to. Dragging real life into it is irrelevant.
And after all, thousand of years is a bit of a gap in ages.

Originally Posted by Richard L

The problem in creepiness was not down to anything to do with ick factor. I'm as much of a bigot as the next person, but the real problem was emotional not biological. I could find and still cannot find any reason for Doc to be obsessed with Rose. She is utterly irritating, very gobby and chavvy, and that old snob No. 3 would have tried to avoid her on principle, or taken a more grandfatherly guiding role, not sexual.

Basically this - the Doctor has had dozens of attractive, not to mention intelligent women, on board, and has never shown any real interest in any of them. Why he would suddenly be interested now in this particular one is never explained. It just smacks of a shallow ratings grab.

[glunark]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

I do think there's a slight difference between discussing people in real life having age gap romances, and an opinion on fictional characters one of whom is quite young and the other an alien thousands of years old. .

Except they specifically started it with just their physically appearance age, an 18 year old girl and a man in his 40s.

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Sorry, but to claim this is 'offensive' just seems a way of closing down a discussion, when quite frankly, within this (and other) fictional world(s), its maybe something that can be remarked upon and given some intelligent discussion to. Dragging real life into it is irrelevant..

I am not trying to close this down, I am trying to have an opinion, I don't tell anyone else they are not entitled to have one, I only ask for the same privilege.

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Basically this - the Doctor has had dozens of attractive, not to mention intelligent women, on board, and has never shown any real interest in any of them. Why he would suddenly be interested now in this particular one is never explained. It just smacks of a shallow ratings grab.

And all the times in the old series he had a companion, he always had the option of nipping back to galifry if he wanted to settle down, with that option gone, maybe he was starting to think of his companions as potential partners, rather than just travelling buddies.