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20071203 Monday December 03, 2007

Torchwood season two screening

This morning your favourite gang of polysexual heroes (that’s me, Nick, Rich and freelance scum Steve O’Brien) headed down to London for the press screening of the first episode of Torchwood season two: “Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang” by Chris Chibnall.

Was it any good? Well, it’s probably the best episode so far (we only say “probably” cos we really liked “Out of Time” from last year, which was good but in a totally different way).

Now, we know what some of you are going to say: “Pah, but you’re just a bunch of shameless Torchwood apologists, aren’t you? You’d say that anyway! Grumble mumble Russell T Davies grumble mumble”. Hush now. Here’s the important thing for you cynics to note: “Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang” (a very aptly-titled episode) gives every indication that the production team have identified all of the failings that turned many SF fans against the show, and have fixed them.

What follows is free of major spoilers, and couched in the vaguest terms we could manage, okay?

The first thing that we’ve got to tell you is that “Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang” is funny - really funny. It had an audience of jaded media hacks guffawing with delight for 50 minutes. Some of the choicest humour is self-deprecating, with the programme subtly acknowledging its absurdities; there are delicious one-liners referencing Torchwood’s status as “the world’s least secret secret organisation”, and Jack’s penchant for standing around on the edge of rooftops... The opening scene (which involves a fish...) is hilariously outlandish, and there’s also a lovely gag which Star Wars fans will appreciate. Russell T Davies said he wanted season two to have more fun, and they’ve delivered it in spades.

Much of the humour comes in the form of banter between the members of Torchwood (that's banter, not jibes or pot-shots) which also helps to create a real sense that the team have affection for one other, and are a closely-knit unit. It seems that the in-fighting of season one is over. What's more all the characters come across as likeable (yes, even Owen, who looks to have put the sleazy womanising behind him) and capable. If they’re beaten, it’s not because of incompetence, but because they’re up against someone really formidable...

This episode’s guest star is James Marsters, whose role is every bit as cool as Spike in Buffy. Playing a guy who shares a very intimate history with Jack, he brings a cool, amoral swagger to the show.

Further bullet points:
* There’s workplace romance budding, on more than one front...
* A name is mentioned that obviously means a lot to Jack... but we don’t learn why. We suspect this will turn out to be very important later on in the series.
* The swear count was low – we counted just two swearwords.
* The stopwatch is back, back, back!

Jam-packed with laughs, action and sex appeal, this episode is free of jarring gear changes, shudder-inducing sex talk or gaping plotholes, and sees Torchwood realising its potential. It still won’t be to everyone’s taste, of course – it's light-years from hard SF, and some will find it just too irreverent and populist, or just too damn horny. But if you’re a fan of shows like Buffy, Angel and Doctor Who, we’re confident you’re going to love it. So: even if you were one of those disappointed by season one, we recommend you tune in when it returns to BBC Two in mid-January, and give it another try.

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Aaaah, I just love SFX's totally unbiased reviews.

Posted by wahwahkits (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 06:45 PM GMT #

there is no such thing as an unbiased review wahwahkits, a review is someones opinion which is far more reliable than some sad act, internet based fan boy bitching that they dont like the show. Fine, we dont care if you do and no one else does. But the fact that a room full of media based press were laughing suggests it is funny. And from the sound of it they have improved the series a great deal. I for one look forward to the show's return. I enjoyed the last season and thought there were some great, enjoyable episodes.

Posted by richard (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 08:23 PM GMT #

Richard, ever since Dr who started SFX have nearly all the time posted gushing reviews. Are Dr Who and Torchwood as good as they say? Of course they're not! They're just ok with one or two excellent episodes here and there. The cynic in me says that if SFX gave true unbiased reviews that would say an episode is crap (and there have been crap episodes, like in any series) then they suddenly wouldn't have so many exclusives coming their way from Russell T. Davies and co.

Posted by wahwahkits (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 08:37 PM GMT #

Hmm sounds good.

Posted by Chris H (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 09:10 PM GMT #

Personally I though Out of Time was one of the WORST episodes of season 1!

Dull and I really didn't care about Owen's 'affair'.
The Fight Club and Hills Have Eyes ones were far more interesting!

Posted by Hugh Jass (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 10:17 PM GMT #

Fantastic news. I really wanted to like the first series...an adult spin on Doctor Who sounded great. What a disappointment it turned out to be.

It sounds like the production team have learned from their mistakes and finally produced the show we were promised.

I'll be tuning in...

Posted by Wolf 359 (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 10:31 PM GMT #

glad to hear they've listened to the gripes a fair few people had.

I must say having read the reviews that have been given of torchwood, sfx tend to more often then not say "its okay but it could be a lot better", not sure how that comes over as biased but then I have a poor imagination, you've gotta remember its the first series everyone has previously been talking about,
how many first series of new shows tend to be anything but a work in progress?

Posted by Londo Malarkey (127.0.0.1) on December 03, 2007 at 10:59 PM GMT #

To be fair it's not just SFX. No British SF Magazine is willing to confront RTD and Co. on their multiple failings because they know that if they do they won't be getting any more set visits or interviews.

It's cowardice of the highest order, but it's also sound business practice and I'd do the same myself if I was in their shoes.

Posted by John W (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 12:57 AM GMT #

"how many first series of new shows tend to be anything but a work in progress?"

Heroes. The X-Files. (New) Battlestar Galactica. The Shield. The Wire. The West Wing. The Sopranos.

And that's just off the top of my head.

Posted by John W (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 12:59 AM GMT #

And let's not forget Heroes fell into a habit of complaicency that was earning it cancelation merits and cries of beleiving it's own hype this season long before the writers strike

Torchwood's first season has become more underrated than deserving of spite. The team are incompetant, big deal, BGS, Sopranoes, and the shows John W listed all have characters whose lives are defined by "learning curves" , all of them are in over their heads on at least a paticular subject.


As for SFX's "unbiased reviews", it's not that at all. Unlike half the homophobic morons, they, and I, ENJOY RTD's writing on Doctor Who and find slight merit in TW, as there are good and bad in all shows. RTD would be regarded as Moffat's equal if he werent

1. The producer and head writer monopolizing the episodes

2. Gay (90% the reason the straights go the extra distance in their aggresive tone towards him)

Posted by David Blyth (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 07:39 AM GMT
Website: http://www.tvrage.com #

A bit pathethic calling anyone with any complaints against RTD or Chibnall homophobic. Doesn't really work in my case anyway, what with me being gay and all.

Posted by John W (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 08:41 AM GMT #

Dr Who gets great reviews because it is great, simple really and it is not just SFX that says so, it's most sci-fi magazines and the majority of the population of this fair isle. You whiners and moaners are quite frankly pathetic, boo hoo it's not like classic Who, no it's better and having the biggest success it's ever had not only here but in the states, the same for Torchwood also a big success in the states. Yes the first series had it's problems but what series doesn't in it's first year (BSG above, bad example bearing in mind it has been axed due to rubbish ratings, good riddance it was tripe)It sounds as if they have too criticisms on board and the second series will be better.

NuHu is a massive success and we've got at least 3 more years of it so really you bunch of rather sad whingers, do get over it and go watch Countdown, probably more to your taste.

Posted by Cybos (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 08:55 AM GMT #

Folks, can I also point out that this is not a review? The lads are reporting on the press screening, and you'll note it's in the "rants and raves" section of the website. Also: let's keep the feedback coming, but there's no need to get angry with each other, okay? Cheers.

Posted by Dave Bradley (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 09:20 AM GMT
Website: http://www.sfx.co.uk #

It talks about what the episode was like and what their opinion of it was. In what way is that not a review?

Posted by John W (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 09:40 AM GMT #

I agree with Dave seems to be getting a little heated over the episode screening - the great thing about doctor who/torchwood is that people are going to agree/disagree with others about what rocks and what sucks, meeting and greeting the writers and producers may influence but we are all guilty of having influences and when you like something you defend it no matter what other people say.

Posted by Matt (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 10:26 AM GMT #

It's the same as Joe Quesada, editor of Marvel Comics. I respect the guy, even met him, had great conversations, but he's all but raped the character of Spider-Man and reduced Marvel to a hype machine with uneven results (you get tosh like Cival War, then you get Peter David-emulated fun like World War Hulk).

I dont like what he's been doing lately, but I respect him when he gets it right. That doesnt exist with RTD critics, they take anything he says against them too personally and their vulgar tone continues to worsen.

It's really a one-sided thing, either the "straights" think you're "blind" for liking RTD's work, or we, those "blind" (objective) fans think the "straights" dont really "get" that what they once loved doesnt belong to THEM anymore, it belongs to the world again. And they cant stand it. It's jealously, it's bored of success, it's all these things.

Posted by David Blyth (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 12:34 PM GMT
Website: http://www.tvrage.com #

Kiss Kiss, Bang Bang?

Is the world's least secret secret organisation being equated to the world's least secret secret agent?

Posted by Pete X (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 02:10 PM GMT #

Well, as someone who enjoyed the first season of Torchwood because I could see what they were trying to do, albeit in a rather ham-fisted fashion, I am looking forward to season two. It's major problem was that the "fun" element was missing because that aspect had been ear-marked for the SJA series, and they (wrongly) assumed that an "adult" show didn't need any fun. So I'm glad to hear that this element has returned to an extent.

And I love the whole "least secret secret organisation" thing. I've always argued that Torchwood as an entity doesn't actually exist - it's mostly a place for UNIT to dump people who were too unbalanced even for them.

Posted by 127.0.0.1 on December 04, 2007 at 02:53 PM GMT #

Blimey what a bunch of whingers. Series 1 was heavily criticised for being what it was; mainly wonky with flashes of fun brilliance.

Series 2's opener has been praised for ironing out the problems and are people happy? No of course not. Because they don't have their own tv show to make tedious, brow-furrowing hard SF that very few people want to watch.

Posted by Ivan (127.0.0.1) on December 04, 2007 at 02:57 PM GMT #

Just wanted to say I've never been a fan of Doctor Who, until these RTD episodes. And I loved all three seasons. Not all episodes but that's par for the course. I loved Captain Jack in the Doctor Who... loved him even better with Chris Eggleston than David Tennant because they were far more fun together. I was so happy to see Torchwood, but as some people say, it didn't quite live up to expectations and I was almost wishing Captain Jack would return full time to DW. On the other hand, when you are trying something so daring for television, it's hard to know how far you can go, so the first season became a testing ground. Like someone else mentioned, what it lacked most was the fun element. I was planning on seeing season 2 anyway, but hearing the fun element has returned has got me even more excited.

Posted by Chantilla (127.0.0.1) on December 05, 2007 at 07:44 AM GMT #

I kind of liked Jack up on the rooftops. Gives him a bit of a comic book image. Wait I should have kept the comic book idea to myself, or not...

Posted by Miles (127.0.0.1) on January 02, 2008 at 06:21 AM GMT #

Oh for god sake, just watch the programme for the sole purpose of watching it. Not everything has to be put under the microscope. Want to challenge you brain? Pick up a crossword or watch the Discovery Channel. In my opinion, if you watched the whole season like I did then it was worthwhile. If not, move on to something else and stop bitching about it just cos it wasn't to your taste. All thats required is a swift "i'm not a fan".

Posted by Mhairi M (127.0.0.1) on January 02, 2008 at 09:56 PM GMT #

My wife, who's fairly 'so-so' about Doctor Who LOVES Torchwood, and would describe herself as a fan. I think she's more excited than I am about Series 2.

So, if RTD can get my wife to love sci-fi, he is a genius!

Posted by Simon Funnell (127.0.0.1) on January 10, 2008 at 05:36 PM GMT #

Why is it so many sci fi fans are so quick to put down things. Nothing ever seems to be good enough. I find that slightly strange as the public have usually not seen the item in question. Why cant we just sit down with an open mind and watch what is happening and find enjoyment in it. I am big fan of old classics and new shows alike. I always look forward to any new sci-fi shows as often in todays audience number programming, sci fi often gets over looked and programmes can be unduely cancelled. Most often because the sci fi audience bases all bitch about it then when it stops say it went before it time!

Posted by fraser (127.0.0.1) on January 11, 2008 at 01:46 PM GMT #

What's with all the negativity? I think programmes like Torchwood and the new Doctor Who are fantastic for the British media industry, as they're bringing this so called 'American quality TV' style to Britain, and can only mean better things down the line for sci fi series' in this country! I don't see any of you making your own programmes, all you do is moan! And, for the record, Doctor Who is amazing... Torchwood is pretty good!

Posted by James Boyton (127.0.0.1) on January 11, 2008 at 06:29 PM GMT #

Last night's series opening delivered everthing it promised. James Marster's Captain John marked the return of the 'Big Bad' in everyway. The kissing scene with Capt. John has got to be the hottest on TV since Buffy and Spike brought the house down! Wit, humor, poodles and all - the new series is off to a very promising start. The characters are more comfortable with each other and and seem less concerned with personal angst and more with getting on with the job. Future story lines and threads seem promising and by all means more of Captain John! If only to relieve the sanctimoniousness(?) of the previous series - Let's have some fun!!!

Posted by incorrigible (127.0.0.1) on January 17, 2008 at 01:37 PM GMT #

I really wanted to like Torchwood last year and it was at least watchable. I wasn't sure if I was going to bother this year but hearing that James Marsters and Martha Jones were joining the cast I thought I'd give it another try. James Marsters brought the series alive in a way none of the other characters had and for once I enjoyed every minute. Let's see how it stands up without him next week though as the other characters are still pretty tough to like (except Ianto - and at least he'll be appearing more).

Posted by Jess (127.0.0.1) on January 21, 2008 at 12:02 PM GMT #

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