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20090711 Saturday July 11, 2009

Torchwood A Ratings Smash

Torchwood's BBC1 debut has been a major hit, with every episode easily winning its respective time slot. It was by the far the biggest non-soap drama of the week, with the kind of figures (an average of 5.88 million viewers) that most dramas these days would love to achieve (Hotel Babylon, the usual inhabitant of the Friday 9pm BBC1 slot languishes around the 4.5 million mark). Amazingly, it was also very consistent in its performance. Usually, with these "consecutive nights" mini series audiences will drop off from a heavily promoted first episode, but the audience pretty much stayed with "Children Of Earth" throughout. The show has also been being watched by just shy of 100,000 each night on the BBC HD channel, and clogging up the iPlayer chart.

Here are those figures in full:

Day One - 5.9 million viewers
Day Two - 5.6 million viewers
Day Three - 5.9 million viewers
Day Four - 6.2 million viewers
Day Five - 5.8 million viewers

Of course, these are only overnight figures. The official figures, including people who've recorded/Sky Plussed/whatevered the show, will be published in a couple of weeks' time. Expect a big increase for Day Five – Friday night is going out night!

Surely there has to be an announcement about season four soon?

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OMG!!!!!!
Torchwood has left me incoherent...I'm gonna need counselling to get over the impact of this mini series...I can't beleive what the Captain had to do and OMG I need therapy just watching so he'll need a padded cell!!!

Posted by chelleevonnefarnan (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 12:24 PM BST #

Wasnt Torchwood s3 just THE MOST INCREDIBLE tv.

Posted by sexyspud2 (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 12:27 PM BST #

I bailed on Torchwood mid Series 1. I've watched all 5 of Children of Earth & felt like I was watching a major TV event unfolding, it was that good. They have to renew it & in the 5 night format. Meanwhile I'll be catching up on all the episodes I've missed.

Posted by Glen (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 12:31 PM BST #

Better than the recent Doctor Who specials, that's for sure!

Pretty final, though. Doesn't look like there'll be a season four, does it?

Posted by Voyager Hater (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 12:33 PM BST #

I thought that the ending left Jack in quite a good place for meeting up with the new Doctor on his travels.

Posted by Framps (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 12:36 PM BST #

Although i feel I've been put through an emotional wringer after watching it, there is no doubt that Torchwood this week has been amazing telly. I think if they try and bring it back for season 4 it will diminish this week's series, in a way. And Jack? Blimey, how could he do that? But how could he not? I need a lie down... :o)

Posted by Catie (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 12:41 PM BST #

I thought it was unimaginative, badly written and badly directed. It was like Rentaghost suddenly turning into 28 Days Later. The premise of the story was pretty good but as usual it's filmed like Sarah Jane Adventures with swearing.How about writing a proper adult scifi story without all the Britney references and the torture and murder of a child just to be controversial. Which, by the way I have no problem with if it is within context of the rest of the story. It was barrel scraping and lazy.

Posted by Damien Child (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 01:03 PM BST #

I'm agog over the episodes. I've always been a fan, but Children Of Earth really blew me away. Great TV!

Posted by Kell Harker (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 01:06 PM BST #

Superb must see tv - became an event - Torchwood just gets better and better...

Posted by paul (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 01:22 PM BST #

Incredible.
RTD you have shown us exactly what you are capable of. No easy choices, relentlessly grim and nasty. And I am not complaining about that. Torchwood to me was Diet-Doctor Who. This series was better than any Who I have ever seen.
Torchwood doesn't work as a 13 part series, Who does. For season four, a six part series will do fine.
The whole thing that WE are the monsters, not the 456 blew me away. When the old woman pointed out where Gwen and the kids were hiding, it really was the series in microcosm.
I am emotionally drained and cried a bit when Frobisher killed himself and his family.
An incredible viewing experience!

Posted by 127.0.0.1 on July 11, 2009 at 01:27 PM BST #

Loved it! I enjoyed the previous 2 series of Torchwood but after this week it puts them in perspective. Why on Earth did we get some of the dross in the first 2 series when they can churn out the kind of TV we saw this week?

BTW, it's interesting to see how it was liked by a lot of people yet there's always someone that thinks the exact opposite. I would've thought the death of a child was well within the scope of the story considering what they were willing to do to the other kids. SJA with swearing? I don't remember THAT much swearing, it sort of blended into the story rather the the first series where it seemed to be in there just for the sake of it being in there.

AH well, each to their own I suppose...

Posted by McBob (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 01:39 PM BST #

It was sensational TV, thrilling, scary and moving, with great performances from the entire cast and it didn't pull any punches... although there was just one glaring nit pick, they explained that Martha was on honeymoon and obviusly The Doctor could be anywhere in space and Time, but following the events in the last series of DR Who, Jack and the Torchwood team would surely have gone to Sarah Jane Smith and her supercomputer etc for help? I'm sure they just wanted this to be about Torchwood, but it was a plot hole... but it was still brilliant!

Posted by Dave Cross (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 02:05 PM BST #

Just watched the last part and I am gutted. Can't believe it, the cost of surviving. But that proves brilliant TV.

Beth

Posted by 127.0.0.1 on July 11, 2009 at 02:26 PM BST #

Speak for yourselves, I'm bloody done with it. They killed the only character I was really sticking around for after Owen and Tosh bit it last season.


Posted by Alison (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 02:26 PM BST #

Fantastic!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by Colin Coughtrey (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 02:50 PM BST #

They've changed far too much for me to be excited about a possible 4th series.
With Ianto gone, they already needed to pull some serious stunts to attract me to the series again. Not just because he was an amazing - yet so little used - character but because it's TOO MUCH. 3 characters gone in 2 series is too much. I do not want to invest and be attached to a character when you know they'll end up dead.
There's a possibility that Jack - who was written very unlike Captain Jack- not returning, I have even less hope. I'm not up for a Gwen Cooper show.
I feel disappointed and cheated. As a fan, I'd rather this be the end than carry on without our fave characters. If they bring it back for a 4th, please get rid of the writers and start afresh. They've crushed everything I loved about the show and this was a good series for those who are just starting to watch, not for hardcore woodies. It was a great story and it should've been told, just not on Torchwood.

Posted by daniela (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 03:21 PM BST #

Amazing series, This is Torchwood finally finding it's adult feet. Please, please please let there be a series 4!

Posted by Mr Kleason (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 03:54 PM BST #

loved it untill the last episode.
i was totally gutted that ianto went. he was the heart of the show for me. always there when needed and always ready to face whatever came next. the man held everything together. and this was painfully evident in ep 5. now bits of it were amazing. frobisher and his kids was heart rending stuff, allthough i would have felt more sorry for him if he had put up any kind of fight before hand, andy taking off his uniform and getting stuck in was punch the air stuff. but im struggling after that.
without ianto to keep them going they give up.
GIVE UP !! what the?
this is Torchwood, our last line of defense. we are launching this show on a new channel for new viewers and what are we showing, when the going gets tough... we are off mate good luck. now thats a bit harsh i know and i know there are lots of reasons for it but thats what i am feeling . jack gives in. he only fights back when someone else says, heres some stuff that might help what do you reckon? oh go on then. he gives his grandson up with about 2 mins thought and no real effort to find another solution. he doesnt really try to get into the alien room other than asking not very nicely on the phone. and then to really annoy me. he shoots off at the end.
" you cant run away" " just watch me"
just watch me!!??? what kind of payoff is that. thats the way my 4 year old talks when he is being naughty. and by the way. how does jack now that theres a ship skimming space just waiting for his code? did they drop him an email?
he needs his band to tell them to pick him up yet apparently they are waiting for him anyway.
just too much. i agree with comments regarding 3 deaths in 2 series as too much. i know its just show and they are showing the harshness of torchwood but for us to invest in a charachter we need to hope they might make it past lunch.
excuse the rant and the spelling etc but i am really upset with this. my brother phoned after the show because as he put it " you usually explain the reasons for the bits i thought were rubbish " but last night left me stumped. it was like russel wrote the rest of the show then said " i'm off to the loo, you lot will be alright to finish up yeah?"
series 4 better be something amazing to keep me going. again apologies for the rant. the rest of the week was truly amazing . loved that.

Posted by peter (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 04:30 PM BST #

Is it me, or does anyone else remember the Torchwood Institute being setup as a national organisation? There was Torchwood London in Doctor Who's "Doomsday" episode, and of course Torchwood Cardiff, but is that it? And if its not, where the hell were the rest of Torchwood when they were needed?

I found the last episode depressing, and the way that Jack exited, was just cowardly.

Posted by freakybeans (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 04:52 PM BST #

Generally this "event" television vehicle worked for the Torchwood format and the ratings have proven that there is a mainstream TV audience out there for this kind of sci-fi. I have to agree with a couple of the comments that after four and a half excellent episodes we lost the Quatermass feel for a cheap disney ending that spoiled an otherwise gripping story.

Should TW return? On the whole I think so but like Criminal Justice before it maybe the secret is to run with another five day a week format. There were, after all, at least three characters in COE that would make suitable replacements for Ianto, Tosh and Owen.

Posted by marty (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 04:57 PM BST #

Torchwood: Children of Earth was just wonderful stuff, a Quatermass for the 21st Century. I was so sure young Stephen would have inherited some of Jack's Phoenix Reflex, or that Ianto would have absorbed some, or be full of Resurrection Man-style nanobots, but no, not so. Brave stuff. And while I felt little for Frobisher. his family's fate had me Misty-eyed (geddit? Oh well, suit yerselves).

Congrats to all the team who produced this landmark TV event. Roll on season four - so what if the team and base are dismantled (those poor weevils), just write 'em back together, add Lois, PC Andy/Rob Bryden and away we go.

Posted by Martin Gray (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 05:01 PM BST
Website: http://dangermart.blogspot.com/ #

freakybeans
there is a torchwood in glasgow, but they lost contact long ago and as such no one knows where they are. a possible lifeline for series 4?

Posted by peter (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 05:36 PM BST #

Hated it. Not for the character stuff that has angered a lot of people but because I thought it was sloppily written tripe. Friday's was an hour of my life I'm never getting back and quite possibly the worst hour of television I've ever sat through. I don't know where RTD got the idea that he could actually write, but he needs to go back to school and learn about actually keeping a character IN character. It was immature writing at its worst. I'm actually hoping Torchwood doesn't come back now, which saddens me because I've loved everything Who related for a long long time.

Posted by silver_x_cross (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 05:43 PM BST #

I loved it- thought the writing was great- particularly the political stuff and genuinely moving. Wasn't the whole point that Jack is a conflicted character? Thought the ending set it up perfectly for a reboot.

Posted by Karo (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 05:57 PM BST
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'ello silver_x_cross, do tell us more. What were the specifics of your gripes?

Posted by Mart (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 06:34 PM BST
Website: http://dangermart.blogspot.com/ #

I'm glad Torchwood got really good ratings for this week (althoguh I'm suprised to see a drop off for the final episode). It's been a marvellous week of must-watch television

Posted by Martin (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 06:47 PM BST #

I'd guess the final episode drop-off is due to it being Friday night. There was an important Big Brother eviction happening at the same time (WHAT? Geeks watch BB too. Shut up. :P), and although that wouldn't account for a huge amount of viewers, a lot of people go out on Friday nights. As Other Dave said above, the iplayer/timeshift/repeat figures will probably bump that right up.

Some of the comments are hilarious. I do know people that didn't enjoy it, but SJA with swearing? LMAO! That may have been true of season 1, and to a much lesser extent season 2, but CoE was not.

Posted by Gillian Coyle (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 07:09 PM BST #

I'm guessing if they did do a forth season then they could get Mickey and Martha involved or even better have Captain John Hart fill in for Captain Jack until his return. It could along the plot of the governemt neededing Torchwood as UNIT is unable to help and The Doctor is nowhere to be seen. Speaking of Unit, the Brig wouldn't have let such nonsense happen in his day.

Posted by Mr Kleason (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 07:28 PM BST #

Exactly - I kept expecting that nice UNIT chap to DO something - at the very least, launch a bloodless coup. I dunno.

Posted by Mart (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 07:31 PM BST
Website: http://dangermart.blogspot.com/ #

I've watched torchwood for a while now and I kept praying, wanting it to be as good as it was the last few nights. When I was younger I used to watch Docotor who before I went to bed and for years I've wanted to feel that way again while watching a show. New Who was good but it just didn't do it. I hoped torchwood would be that but what I to begon with was purile nonsense that seemed to be hopeless. I stuck with it, hoping it would improve and slowly it did. I came to actually like some of the cast (even owen) and was suprised when they killed them off.
And then, Children Of Earth. Wow. I got that feeling back. It took me by suprise in the middle of episode 3 and stuck until the end.
Yeah, people we liked died. But I so fed up with people complaining when that happens. 'My favorite character died so it's got to be crap' if you read a book and it suprises you do you throw it away never to pick it up again? Maybe Jack did try very hard to find another soloution but the clock is ticking and he only had a small amount of time. It wasn'tthe jack from season 2 but he's just been through season 3. After years of hiding behind that playboy facade he's faced up to the lie. In one season he developed more than the whole of his television career.
ianto was my favorite too. It seems only fitting that the team are gutted by his death and act out of sorts. If they have another series (I don't know how I feel about that) then I assume that the characters will spend large portions of it trying to get over the loss.
It's funny how when Blake's seven ended with this leve of depression people cheered. I hope most of still are, if that was an end, they made it a worthy one.

Posted by ben (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 08:29 PM BST #

Torchwood was THE event of the year bar none! It was better than any new Who (& dare I say it old Who) story that has gone before.

John Fay (Day two and four writer) was in my opinion a fantastic addition to the series. Superb and taunt writing from the get go. For goodness sakes whatever happens make sure he writes for new Who and more Torchwood.

I have to admit I was worried when I saw RTD's name appear on Day Five as I thought "God, he's going to camp it up and screw the whole concept to hell" but (phew) the NewWho-miester did good and produced a truly earth shattering ending that I don't think anyone could have predicted in witnessing.

I agree that killing off Ianto was a bit OTT particularly in light of the previous two Torchwood characters being killed off. I think on the whole by killing off the hub and removing some of the stable characters allows the writing team to start afresh and maybe base the series in London.

I think the concept of a five consecutive nightly episodes has to be a one off or it should be rarely used. I don't think if repeated it will have the same effect as CoE did. But then again it depends on the writing.

All in all a magnificent piece of televisual triumph for RTD and the Torchwood production team and a joy to watch for us Who-vies.

Can I also just say to those "negative" critics - you have no idea what you are talking about. Just by looking at the comments already made I think you are massively outnumbered by those who thought Torchwood:CoE was a fantastic series.

Posted by MIke Stevens (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 09:42 PM BST #

i hope i am not counted as a " negative critic" i loved the first four nights of the series and thought iantos death whilst unnessesary was beautifully done. however , i just cant defend the ending. i know jack has to change and his playboy facade wasnt suitable for the subject matter, but i just feel that it was too big a shift. 4 nights of running around shouting i can help followed by such a huge character shift is ( i think ) way too much at once. you have to admit that its really hard to justify.i dont think that because my favourite character died its all crap, i thought that was one of the best tv moments of the whole thing. it had me crying, angry and nostalgic all within ten minutes. i just felt it was totally unnessesary. the feeling of nobody being safe was already well established and i thought i just smacked of shock for the sake of it.
incidentally. telling people that they have no idea what they are talking about just because they dont agree with you is getting pretty boring too. if it helps those of us who feel this way arent nesseseraly stupid. we just dont happen to totally agree with you. outnumbered or not.its almost like think thinking that rtd is going to camp it up just for the sake of it. although now that i think of it...

Posted by peter (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 10:14 PM BST #

All I am saying is the storyline is superb (near ideal). It showed the realism. Hat off to RTD and writers.

Posted by CPJ (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 11:03 PM BST #

Wow! Well everyone has their own opinion, none right, non wrong. This is mine.

I have never been "affected" by a show so much as Children of the Earth. The dramatic build up in the earlier episodes was beautifully done, and the journey to the climax was handled with great sensitivity.

I feel most Torchwood fans must have expected no culling of characters after Tosh and Owen last series, so Ianto's death was a true shock to the heart and handled so well.

The revelation of the children being used as a drug to the 456 was an absolute shocker, backed by the sorry features of the child from the first abductions.

Torchwoods political stance reflected many of the doubts that we all have regarding politicians at this time, and they handled superbly the distrust that many feel regarding what government will do to protect their reputation and security.

The final episode was bleak, there was no happy ending, sacrifices were made to save the Earth which tore Jacks family apart. It was actually uncomfortable viewing. To see the army scooping up the children , knowing what the 456 had planned for them was disturbing.

Russel T Davies has in my opinion proved to his critics that he is more than able to provide entertainment of the most dark, chilling , calibre. No rewind button, no "Oh its okay coz..."

He has written a story that challenged, questioned, and hurt!

If this is the end of Torchwood, then what an end!

Thank you for showing that TV that really makes an impact is possible.

John Robbo.

PS I never offer scores, but...Absolutely 5 out of 5!!

Posted by john robbo (127.0.0.1) on July 11, 2009 at 11:33 PM BST #

To Peter and negative critics, i apologise if i have offended you in anyway.

It is fair to say that any show whether sci fi or not is open to criticism good and bad. Without them writers / creators wouldn't be able to take them on board to further enrich and enhance the quality of the programmes / films being produced. Where I draw the line is when negative critics can sometimes go wildly overboard. I focus on the comments made by Damien Child which is where my comments about negative criticisms came from.

Granted due grace should be given to critics who are entitled to make comment on anything they like but I felt that the comments made by Damien Child was so overblown that it was unfair to the quality that had been put into a show such as Torchwood that has gone leaps and bounds since series 2. I hope that that quality continues to take Torchwood to and beyond those new boundaries that have been established in series 3 (CoE).

CoE was certainly a series that made you think about the topics and issues raised. I'm still thinking about them now and am sure it is something which will remain with me for sometime to come.

Whilst RTD is a genius for bringing about the return of Who and creating sister programmes such as Torchwood and Sarah Jane and is by no means one of the top quality writers. He does sometimes have a tendency to throw in daft moments that can ruin an episode like in Who's Voyage of the Damned xmas special where the Doc was trying to avert the Titanic from crash landing into Buck Palace. That for me was a cringe-worthy moment and in some ways ruined the episode for me hence my concern that RTD could have potentially ruined CoE but I'm glad to say that for once he has proved me wrong. Although I appreciate that Who is essentially a family show therefore such campness / OTTness / daftness warrants inclusion to make it more acceptable to the mainstream audience.

Posted by Mike Stevens (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 12:31 AM BST #

Best. Torchwood. Ever. But damn, I am depressed now :(

Posted by Marcel (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 12:44 AM BST
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@ peter - I'm too lazy to rewatch the whole ep in search of the appropriate scene but the wikipedia entry for the Glasgow branch of Torchwood says: "An email shown in Day One of Children of Earth suggests that Torchwood Two disbanded some time before the events of the 456, and that Torchwood Three is the only branch remaining."

A series investigating the mysterious "missing" TW4 could be interesting though ^_~

Posted by Selkie (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 01:42 AM BST #

to Mart- I think the tone of it for me was first set with the throwaway line about Martha. She wasn't called back because she was on honeymoon? I think Martha "I saved the world" Jones would have ditched a holiday for this! It was a horrible disservice to the character, and why bother with it at all? RTD did nothing to explain away why Mickey wasn't there either.

From then it just felt... off I guess. Like RTD wrote the ending first and worked backwards from that and made everything fit around it, rather than letting things flow naturally. I mean, why put in two random families that were never mentioned or even hinted at before? Gwen says that Ianto talked about his sister all the time? When?!

To me it felt as though RTD sat down and thought to himself "what's the most horrifying thing I can make Jack do? I know I'll have him sacrifice a child. And then I'll make it not just any child, but one related to him."

Jack is a conflicted character, yes, no one can deny that, but to go that far? Especially when there was, and was all along (in the fictional universe, if not the real world production) the option of calling the Doctor for help. One call to Martha, one quick call to the Doctor. There, sorted.

Also, walking up to the 456 and just going "ok, so you'll be leaving now" with no back up plan? That was just dumb!

Also, the more RTD writes UNIT, the more I miss the Brig and Benton in all their UNITy glory.

It all felt like he was throwing his toys out of the pram, and making sure Moffat didn't have anything Torchwood based to use if he wanted, even Jack, who was introduced in a Moffat ep, let's not forget.

I'm looking forward to the Moffat era of Who, where I have hopes that he'll bring things back to a simple and elegant story telling, that genuinely does leave me moved, terrified and compelled to watch more. RTD just didn't manage that for me.

Posted by silver_x_cross (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 02:20 AM BST #

Mike stevens
you didnt offend me in any way. i totally agree with everything you said in your last entry,the over the top points made by some critics do make it hard for people who just have a problem with some elements to have their opinions taken seriously for what they are rather than just kneejerk reactions to not making the whole show a fan pleasing wish list. that was my reason for wanting to make sure i wasnt counted in that number.
besides, i have no problem being offended by other peoples alternative opinions. its what mkes for an interesting debate rather than just " i loved it" " i hated it" " fine i'm not playing anymore" thanks for clearing it up though. apologies if i came off too heavy.
by the way
selkie
the first ( i think ) ep of torchwood series one , jack tells Gwen that torchwood glasgow is a strange older guy and that we will find him again one day.
not an exact quote i know, but you get the idea.cheers

Posted by peter (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 07:10 AM BST #

Iam not sure what channel some people were watching (and I mean no offense by this), but that was bloody fantastic TV.
For me it boils down to one thing, at the end did I want more..... and the answers was YES! (and by more, I don't mean it was lacking..), never mind waiting for viewing figures I want to know what happens next? and all the million other questions it raised (especially in the last half hour).

Posted by paulhanselluk (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 08:11 AM BST #

Well Torchwood finally became what it should have been from the start - Mature Science Fiction.

I'd imagine both John Wyndham and Nigel Kneale would have approved of Children of Earth, it combined all the classic plotlines of their works.

Still not sold on the possibility of a 4th Season, the ending seemed pretty final to me, and Gwen's whithering statement about what Torchwood do to you seems to indicate she's had enough (That and Eve Myles probably wants a break from it to have her child).

Posted by S.D. Hester (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 09:09 AM BST #

I agree with the majority of posters here that this was amazing Event television - I feel like I have watched a landmark drama and the fact that it was science fiction and belonged to the Whoniverse was just the icing on the cake.

And how good it is to have the darker RTD back. I have no real complaints with his other Who stuff - it is after all a children's show and he has always said that and written accordingly, and even within these constraints he has pulled off some magnificent moments - but I've longed for the RTD who wrote 'The Second Coming' or the finale to 'Queer As Folk' to return. And now, within the precincts of a series which, let's not forget, he created, he has. This is a writer who understands television like possibly no other currently working. He knows pacing, he knows how to pull an audience in and he knows how to put them through the emotional wringer. He writes strong female characters, he has an inclusive world view that nonetheless allows for bigots and general human nature as well, and - despite what others seem to think on here - he understands character. Plus he asks his audience to think, to react - he challenges us. I know he can get it wrong on occasion, but when RTD is on form, as he was with CofE, television can finally live up to it's promise.

(Oh, and let's not forget Euros Lyn in all this - his sure handling of the story and deft control of the changes of pace surely put him forward for some kind of award).

Posted by Brownbear (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 11:21 AM BST #

Bury this s**t - now.

Posted by Earwig (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 11:53 AM BST #

Surely the best piece of british television in years.It was harrowing, frightening, depressing, thought provoking stuff. As a father of two children, I can't think of anything in recent years that has drawn me in and left me so emotionally drained at the end. Wonderful stuff and surely awards will be coming the way of this mini series?

Posted by The Naysayer (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 12:35 PM BST #

Quatermass with balls.

Quatermass was good.

Balls are good.

Put them together and how can you go wrong? Just a little afraid that the next season will be full of naked rotund Welshmen.

Posted by Hannah (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 12:54 PM BST #

In a word, SUPERB. Simple as.

Posted by Mr Self Destruct (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 03:28 PM BST #

Mike Stevens

I just want to clarify my feelings now that I've calmed down a bit.

My problem was not with the story itself, it was (and has always been the case for me and Torchwood) the execution. I didn't think they had earned the right to do what they did on episode 5. If the writers had set out their stall at the beginning of the week I would have been as positively vocal as I have been negative, but we had three days of thigh slapping camp, a day of good plot (I thought episode 4 was good) and then a conclusion that had my jaw dropping to the floor for all the wrong reasons.

Now, I've been a massive horror and sci-fi fan for as long as I can remeber (I was at a Torchwood event just a week ago) and have worked in the industry for many years, so to say someone "doesn't know what they're talking about" is like saying "you smell, 'cos you do".It's my opinion and mine alone. I've not said anybody else is wrong by thinking it was the best TV they've ever seen, that's great, I really wish I could say the same. The fact is that the writers let us all down. It wasn't brave television. What's brave about picking on kids, it's the easiest way to get a rise out of the audience, it's lazy. Unless you are going to do something so amazing plotwise that the audience can forgive you. Captain Jack acted completely out of character and this was purely to create controversy and get RTD out of a hole that he just couldn't write himself out of. Imagine if Steven Moffatt had have written this series, or it had been put in the hands of the BSG writing team. As with many RTD scripts, the idea is good but the end result is always a let down and I feel that the whole Torchwood team let the audience down in a big way.They should have 'grown a pair' and started as they meant to go on. There's no where for the character of Jack to go now, he tortured and mudered a child, his own grandchild. It's a sacrifice I felt the story didn't need to make. It proves to me that after all this time, they still don't know what Torchwood should be.

So I apologise for my initial outburst but I stand by what I said. I'm done

Posted by Damien Child (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 03:54 PM BST #

I was never a fan of Torchwood. In both series one and two I lost interest after the first couple of episodes. But this story was good. Not amazing but it was by no stretch of the imagination crap. The format worked for me. If there is to be another story (I can't call one story a series, sorry) then do the same week run again. Three stories a year would be good. And please do not physically bring in the doctor. Torchwood has finally set itself apart from it's origin. Mention him by all means (Not too much).

Posted by Slaphead1982 (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 04:25 PM BST #

Two things bothered me about Torchwood.

1. Why was the British Army wearing US Army style helmets and armed with G36's a rather than the standard issue SA80.

2. If the 456 are so powerful that can take over and control all the children, and can destroy the Earth. Why do they need the governments to bring them the children surely they could just take them if they wanted?

It was also an empty threat to wipe out humanity as then they would have killed all the children and defeated the object of their evil plan.

Posted by Captain John (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 04:54 PM BST #

Was Children of Earth written by the same person who wrote the last episode of Blake's 7?

Posted by Alison (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 05:09 PM BST #

As soon as the final episode had finished airing, my wife and I agreed that had been a week of amazing, thought provoking television, and then agreed that there would be some know it all killjoys out there determined to tell us we were wrong. You know what, I really hate what a small minority of Doctor Who fandom has become and I'm ashamed to have once considered myself part of it.

Posted by Rick (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 06:39 PM BST #

Chris Boucher wrote the final episode of Blake's 7. As far as I know he has not written an episode of Torchwood.

Posted by Captain John (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 06:41 PM BST #

Just a point about this series being out of character for Jack. Do you not remember he let the fairies take the child at the end of that creepy season one episode- despite the pleas of her weeping mother so to sacrifice stephen to stop the 456 did not seem unecessary or out of character. Grim and horrific yes but wasn't that the point? To make us think about our attitudes? Ok to use FAS or to allow millions of children to die in the developing world but one "nice" middle class kid makes us fill with revulsion?

Posted by Karoline (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 07:25 PM BST #

Loved it. Hoping there's a series 4.

Posted by Bob (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 07:59 PM BST #

Good to see Russell T. Davies can still write: I had begun to lose faith after his last two dreadful Doctor Who specials, which featured some of the laziest writing and plotting (as well as a childish swipe at Christians with his hint that the Resurrection didn't happen - Old Who wisely steered clear of religion, but Russell can't resist blabbing on about his atheism) "Children of Earth" was great. Let's hope the next three Who episodes are as good.

Posted by Frank Danes (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 08:39 PM BST #

yeah karoline, thats one of my favourite episodes. and to be honest it did bring that to mind when i watched it. i suppose i just thought that with his own flesh and blood he would at least try.
the more i think about it though the more i feel it was some kind of penance for his part in the original 456 " transaction "
hhhhmmmm.
this is what i love about torchwood. good or bad it gets you thinking.

Posted by peter (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 08:41 PM BST #

I think Alison has something here. I still remember how I felt after the last episode of Blakes 7 - choked up, shocked & completely fed up but realising I'd watched a fantastic piece of TV history. I felt exactly the same way after Children of Earth. I can't say a lot of TV, if any,has done that in the intervening 28 years.

Posted by Glen (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 09:36 PM BST #

apparently RTD is now off to america to make it as a writer.

his things are now already 'over there'.

he doesn't know when he will be back. so it's safe to say TORCHWOOD is now dead in the water.

moffet is dealing with doctor who so there is nobody to helm a new torchwood.

Posted by dave smith (127.0.0.1) on July 12, 2009 at 10:22 PM BST #

Thanks for the elucidation, silver_x_cross. The only thing I'd really argue the toss over is the Martha business . . . how much difference could she really have made? She's not the Doctor.

How about you assume that as a wedding present the Doctor gave her a time travelling honeymoon?

Posted by Mart (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 12:25 AM BST
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I enjoyed watching this, right up until the last episode when the resolution left me cold and frustrated. There was so much good stuff in the series - some great ideas, a few well thought out dilemmas and a handful of great performances (espenially Peter Capaldi) that I found myself feeling very let down by the finale. It seemed to rely on hitting the emotions without necessarily making a whole lot of sense, the more I think about it the more problems I have with the ending - and this is getting me down...
Unfortunately, for me, it was mostly the Torchwood specific aspects that ultimately let it down, mainly because I've never felt overly sure what it is they actually do. It's been suggested that this series would have worked just as well (if not better) as a stand alone series with no links to any established franchise and I find myself agreeing.
If Torchwood does come back I hope that they can continue with the thoughtful and properly grown up tone. That might convince me keep watching.

Posted by Toria (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 12:29 AM BST #

WOW, compulsive, breathtaking viewing.
Wasn't keen on the preceding series but loved this format, the story and the characters.
Hope there is a new series set in a different city with different characters.

Posted by Jan (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 07:25 AM BST #

Wow! Somebody just dumped a bucketful of classiness over that show. Like many people I was disappointed with series one and two but that just blew me away. Exciting, creepy, funny, sweet, thought-provoking, devastating. All the regular cast upped their game (especially Barrowman)and there were some great new characters too. Not easy viewing (I found some of the scenes in the last episode almost impossible to watch) but how great to have a sci-fi show that can make you think and feel like that. I can't believe I'm saying this but they are going to have to come up with something pretty spectacular for the Dr Who specials in order to top that!

Posted by meillion (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 09:38 AM BST #

Pretty good on the whole I think. Usual RTD Deus ex Machina ending tho, which was a shame. Also think it's a shame Ianto died, but they never really knew what to do with him anyway to be honest.
I hope the series comes back, preferably as the original 13 parter but unfortunately more like the 5 part we just had. 2 or 3 of them a year would be nice tho! It does seem RTD was doing his best to kill the show, with Gwen preggers and Jack back in space. I wonder if they'll reboot with a complete new cast, maybe with guest shots for Gwen and Jack? I think that'll be the only way to go to be honest.

Posted by Peter Chandler (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 09:57 AM BST #

Quite possibly the best television I've seen in a long long time. Bleak, compulsuve, thought provoking...kudos to all involved but the writers and especially Peter Capldi need to win awards for this.

More please Aunty Beeb!!

Posted by Paul Starkey (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 10:23 AM BST
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I really enjoyed CoE but I'm still going to criticise elements because I think that the show could be better still. It was much better than seasons 1 and 2 but still hugely melodramatic and camp, which I could use less of. Also I'd contend that RTD still doesn't really get adult drama. It's not kids tv with sex and violence. It's not even kids tv with horror. For me it has to subtley use themes and concepts that provoke thought and draw parallels with the real world. I thought that the message that humanity pretty well stinks and would sacrifice it's kids to save it's own skin wasn't either subtle or original. The message was also almost lost in how blatent the execution was. It went way over the top in places, really, stabbing wildly at the audience, rather than picking at it's sensibilities in the way that something like BSG or Lost does. Also, if you want to build tension sometimes a backgound of silence works better than histrionic orchestral music. And RTD, please learn to write a story that doesn't rely on a Deus Ex Machina for it's denouement (other than Midnight, which I admit rocked).

Posted by Jon (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 11:31 AM BST #

Amazing from start to finish, i loved every second from the creepy start to the heartbreaking finish. This is yet another example of the genius of RTD writing, i felt emotionally drained by the end but i thought it was great. There will be a series 4 if the BBC have any sense and the cracking ratings it achieved for that timeslot might just guarantee it. As good as Dr Who, roll on 'Waters of Mars'.

Posted by LM (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 11:54 AM BST #

Really enjoyed it - though still not a fan of 5 nights stories - all right it was event TV but it made for a couple of late nights when I had to catch up after I'd been out & I'd rather have had a week in between to digest & predict.

Sorry to see Ianto gone, he was my favourite all through the series. I kept hoping but he did look very dead in the body bag. Still this is SF, so you never know.

As for the ending, I read it that Jack's free to go off & be part of the Doctor's last story, when no doubt something will happen that will make him want to get back to Earth & restart Torchwood. I don't see why it can't go on. Taking it back to practically nothing does give the new production team carte blanche to chose the direction they want to go in.

btw: When people go on how about how dreadful a programme is, do they really mean they've sat through all 5 episodes hating it.

Posted by Sue (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 01:18 PM BST #

My heart is broken it feels if Torchwood is no more.

I am still recovering from the impact of Children of Earth, it was that good, and mad as hell that Ianto was killed.

Congratulation to Russell T. Davies for stunning writing and all the team for an incredible production. I wonder though has the BBC decided they can no longer afford good quality drama and requested that Mr Davies ends the show.

Posted by Sharon Baker (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 01:28 PM BST #

Mart- I admit, I'm a Martha fan so I am biased when I think how much of a difference she personally could have made. But aside from that, she could have phoned the Doctor with the super phone! So she's not the Doctor, but she's the one with the quickest access to him!

Production wise, yes, it would have been impossible to have the Doctor come and save the day on a Torchwood crisis. But within the fictional universe, it doesn't make sense to ignore your greatest resource when facing a global crisis like that, especially when UNIT's involved already!

Posted by silver_x_cross (127.0.0.1) on July 13, 2009 at 10:33 PM BST #

I am like a lot of fans who feel Torchwood, as we knew it, was hi-jacked a bit and we want our OLD TORCHWOOD to return next season. With RTD departure, we think they should bring Ianto Jones & Jack back. Hey, it's sci-fi - that's NOT that hard to do. There is a big internet campaign to have the show restored to it's former glory. www.saveiantojones.com

It was such an amazing show.. and we want the magic back!

Posted by Cate (127.0.0.1) on July 14, 2009 at 12:32 AM BST #

I have to say that since the new version of Dr Who, followed by Torchwood I'm fairly convinced this country simply cannot do decent science fiction on TV....

Posted by terriblebritscifi (127.0.0.1) on July 14, 2009 at 08:13 AM BST #

After the stress of watching last week I was looking forward to reading your views of the episodes, where are the reviews?

Posted by Chris W (127.0.0.1) on July 16, 2009 at 08:16 AM BST #

In response to Frank Danes,
Totally agree, The opening moments of Torchwood 1 had to hammer the message home in the first 30 seconds of ep 1. Bringing a man back to life with the resurrection glove, just to hear him say that there is no afterlife, just seemed a hilariously childish way to show how grown up they thought they were.

That said, I enjoyed last week!
The 456 were pleasingly gruesome. Constantly vomiting/sneezing?, thrashing their tentacles. etc. Even when they entered the chamber, they kept the details to a minimum, leaving your imagination to conjure up the rest of the grotesque anatomy.

Sacrificing his grandchild might seem like a rather forced shocker, but really it's quite in keeping to the previous two series. (the fairy ep already being mentioned.)

Still UNIT just sitting there doing nothing?!
Remember that UNIT previously had a plan for global annihilation in the event of another invasion in the last season of newwho.

Though Sarah Jane just doesn't fit into the "adult" torchwood universe, Martha jones does
Let's just presume that her honeymoon is off planet somewhere.

That the the 456 needed the children just for drugs, was just a bit too over the torchwoody for me, but overall this was torchwood as it was meant to be.

Posted by Khuratokh (127.0.0.1) on July 17, 2009 at 06:37 PM BST #

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