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20091115 Sunday November 15, 2009

SPOILERS! The 7 Doctor Who questions everyone is asking now

Do NOT read on if you are trying to avoid SPOILERS about "The Waters Of Mars", which was just broadcast in the UK. The blog below is full of the blighters. Adequately warned? That's MAJOR SPOILERS. Click here to be taken somewhere else if that bothers you.

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Here's what we think are the things Doctor Who fans are talking about right now. Twitter feeds, the SFX forum and UK fan sites will surely be on fire about this stuff:

1. Ood For Thought
How does Ood Sigma reappear to the Doctor on Earth in November 2059 - is there some kind of connection there, or perhaps it's just in the Doctor's head? We're still not exactly sure about the nature of the connection between the Ood and the Doctor anyway. We know from "Planet of the Ood" that the telepathic race can make predictions about the Tenth Doctor - the "Doctor-Donna" for instance, which came true in "Journey's End", and the fact that the Doctor's "song is ending". It almost feels like Ood Sigma is adopting a role similar to the Watcher from 1981's "Logopolis" by appearing like this. Could Tom Baker's final hours be an influence on 2009's ending?

2. The Doctor's State Of Mind
Has the Doctor gone mad? There's incredible hubris in the "Time Lord Victorious" and in his cry that the laws of time must obey him. It's triumphant, but there's also desperation about it. Is this the insanity of a condemned person refusing to "go gentle into that good night"? What sort of Doctor are we going to see in the final two episodes this year?

3. Suicide Is Painless
Did Adelaide really need to shoot herself? Couldn't she just have followed the Doctor's advice and inspired her family in person, or at least just pretended to die and gone into hiding to preserve the order of things? It's a very bleak ending for a strong character. Self-sacrifice has played its part in Doctor Who before. Galloway detonates a concealed bomb in order to take out the Daleks in "Death To The Daleks" for instance; in more recent times, Gwyneth blew herself up to destroy the Gelth in "The Unquiet Dead". The Ninth Doctor regenerated while absorbing the energies of the time vortex in order to save Rose. Maybe this is all foreshadowing the way in which the Tenth Doctor will meet his end.

4. Companion Piece
All the pre-broadcast chat was about a feisty new companion played by Lindsay Duncan. But is Adelaide Brooke a bona fide companion? Don't you have to travel with the Doctor on multiple adventures, not just get rescued by him once? She doesn't even survive the encounter and she spends no more time in the TARDIS than her two hapless fellow colonists. She's just a great "guest star" as far as I'm concerned. Who's with me?!

5. Back Once Again With The Renegade Master
We all know John Simm is returning as the Master. How is he going to come back from the dead? Has it got anything to do with that ring of his? How does his wife, Lucy Saxon, fit into it? In the trailer for the next instalment shown right at the end of today's episode, why is he going all skeletal? It looks similar to the effect of the Dalek energy weapon, but that's just guesswork. To find out more, read SFX issue 191 (on sale 16 December) when Russell T Davies promises to tell us all about the Christmas episodes!

6. A Voice To Scare The Living Daylights Out Of Us
And speaking of the trailer, who's doing that voice over? Could it be Timothy Dalton - if so, what role is he playing?

7. Behind The Sofa
Was this a Doctor Who episode suitable for kids? This is a scary story, with multiple fatalities and an insidious threat that turns friends into monsters. "Blink" was frightening, but nobody in that actually died while looking at videos of their family, or shot themselves to escape their fate. If you watched this with your nippers, I'd be interested to hear how well they sleep tonight.

Have we hit the nail on the head? What else are you discussing tonight? Let us know what you think. Don't forget to read our full review of the episode here.


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Companion - noun: Anyone who's name just happens to fill the gap in the Doctor Who credits.

Posted by Ian Coomber (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 08:12 PM GMT
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Daphne ashbrook is considered a companion and she never travelled in the TARDIS

Posted by Mr Cairo (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 08:33 PM GMT #

my five year old had his face buried into my arm throughtout the whole show. i then realised he is 5 years old and he will soon be on his 3rd doctor.
great episode, loved it.

Posted by areyoumymummy (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 08:38 PM GMT #

Timothy Dalton is listed as 'Time Lord' on IMDB. Could the doctors history trampling have restored the Time Lords?

Posted by robinthesilver (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 09:42 PM GMT #

Glad my 5 year old didn't watch- the suicide ending was far too bleak for me, let alone him. Liked the episode until the last 5 mins- great disaster movie vibe and monsters were chilling( even though we didn't see what would have come out of the glacier....)

Posted by Karoline (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 10:09 PM GMT #

On the whole an ewxciting solid story, but i felt frustrated by the final 5 minutes,this Time lord 'victorious' woul have been excellent for a series arc, the series giving you time to look at the ramifications of his action, instead we have a hint of a dark timelord, before he seemed to be shocked back into his right mind my adelaide's actions.

I also found her self sacrifice frustrating, not because i felt the charcter should survive, because her actions showed her strength of character, but i felt her off camera death didn't display the nobility i think her ending deserved.

PS always found Mars used in doctor who confusing as the Ice warriors don't seem to fit into any chronology, glad he mentioned them tonight, although the doctor suggested they were froma mars long since dead, but the Peladon stories suggest they were from a period of earths future. looking at the zombies rock like faces, maybe there is some connection between the two races

Posted by chester bear (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 10:19 PM GMT #

i tell you now, the master is cloned by some bond like millionarie..hmm..doctor will be barmy for about teb minutes of his last episodes..then relaises he has to save the universe, also, time lords are back definate, what if the ood are timelords?they could have used the chamelaon arch to do so, or they could have planted them seves in the timelines...debate?

Posted by nik burnley (127.0.0.1) on November 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM GMT #

hmm the doctor gone dark? Does this mean the timelords resurrect the master to stop the doctor from messing with time? does the doctor mess with time to bring all the time lords back into existence, including his mother, and timothy dalton who plays a timelord? is the doctor going to mess with Donna and help her remember or use her to end the universe? So many questions. Always hinted at a darker doctor since the christmas invasion but now he mioght be really dark oooooh lol

Posted by ambbi (127.0.0.1) on November 16, 2009 at 09:05 AM GMT #

I think a key to decoding the doctors apparent temporary madness lies with the master. Evidently the doctor adopted the same attitude to his role as a timelord that the master adopted centuries ago. Clearly 'the laws of time are mine, and they will obey me' is a line that could easily have been read by John Simm while playing the master. I think the masters ring is probably the ring of Rassilon or some such timelordy device. The subwave network remains open and cocky though the master is, he too had a year to prepare for disaster and create an exit strategy, which his wife helped him execute perfectly. Now the doctor tuned himself into the subwave network too, just imagine if the master having done that aswell, managed in his last moments, to upload himself, his consciousness into the network, fooling the doctor into thinking he was dead. That would mean he would be bouncing around the network for the last couple of years, a network that is still broadcasting. I think the master may well appear in the flesh again in the last two episodes, but its more likely he'll spend most of his time running around ghost like inside the doctors head (both being tuned into the subwave network) and basically mocking him. Timothy dalton is evidently going to be playing a timelord, if not Rasillon resurrected. As doctors tend to come full circle, I think we have to look at the tenths own statement about how if a timelord had all the power of the time vortex, he would become a god, and a vengeful one at that. Followed by the doctors temptation in the episode in season 2 where he was offered the life equation. I think that there will have to be a self-sacrificial redemption for the doctor this time round, as he faces down who he is, and who he could be, since the next doctor will need to start with a completely clean slate. Tenant in an interview indicated it was going to be a very tear-jerking episode, and frankly since we've all known tennants doctor is on his way out, and he's just going to regenerate into a new doctor, his death won't be enough to garauntee that kind of fan response. I'm thinking its going to mean the death of Rose, as she saves him one last time. We'll see. Either way we've all got a huge amount to look forward to. Well done RTD!

Posted by Richard Weydert-Jacquard (127.0.0.1) on November 16, 2009 at 09:41 AM GMT #

I'm 99.99% certain that the voiceover on the Christmas Specials trailer is Brian Cox. Dalton is in it (and his voice was heard on the Comic-con teaser), but that wasn't Dalton's voice. And Brian Cox also fits with the 'Major actor with Hollywood connection' described by RTD in some of the pre-publicity talk.

Posted by Saxon Bullock (127.0.0.1) on November 16, 2009 at 10:42 AM GMT
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Oh for gawd's sake, of course it's Brian Cox on the voiceover at the end.

I'm actually really disappointed that SFX have posted this article containing such a glaring and misleading error.

Posted by Steve (127.0.0.1) on November 16, 2009 at 12:40 PM GMT #

Given the previous emphasis on the Master copying the Doctor, it would seem his return would echo the arc of the Doctor-Donna in "Journey's End."

Posted by Bobo (127.0.0.1) on November 16, 2009 at 03:07 PM GMT
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Please. NO ROSE!!!

Posted by Pete (127.0.0.1) on November 16, 2009 at 05:51 PM GMT #

OK, freaky & geeky possibility to how the Master returns. As others have said, reckon the ring is the key. He stores his consiousness in it & then Mrs Master steals it before the bonfire. Although we never do see the body itself burn. Anyhows, Mrs Master puts the ring on Donna's hand, she reverts, albeit briefly, to Doctor-Donna, but is taken over by the Master in the process. This makes Donna's life even more tragic than it already was. I hope not as she's my favourite modern companion.

Mind, I'm probably wrong. I thought the final two episodes would centre around fire & wind once the "Wtares of Mars" title came out. Still could but I think I'm wrong now.

Posted by Red Ken (127.0.0.1) on November 17, 2009 at 01:07 PM GMT #

I watched this with my wife and our three year old son. We were obviously a bit concerned just from the look of the zombies, but decided to try it anyway. We can always turn it off if it's too much.

Well, of course, he thought the zombies were scary; the Doctor and Adelaide running down the corridor with the zombies gaining on them fast (the thought that the Doctor might get caught) was the most scariest moment. He hid behind a cushion for that bit. He also found the robot scary; he kept thinking it might go out of control, which I think is testimony to the notion that children see things differently.

He was not at all bothered by the story's final resolution. When the base was blown up it was the end of the zombies and that was the end of the story as far as he was concerned. I think my wife and me were bothered more by the strange turn the Doctor took (I'm still trying to come to terms with it) and Adelaide's bizarre decision to shoot herself (was she so morally outraged?).

We watched Planet of the Dead (at my son's request) as light relief afterwards. He's mentioned the man changing (into the first zombie) only once, and has slept soundly as normal.

All in all, I'd love to give this episode 10/10, but the ending was just unbelievable so 9/10.

Posted by David (127.0.0.1) on November 18, 2009 at 02:36 AM GMT #

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