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20090307 Saturday March 07, 2009

BLOG Reading the latest Thunderbolts issues

Are you a Marvel or DC fan, up to date with current continuity? What if you're not, and you're thinking of jumping on? Blogger Stacey Whittle sees what happens when you pick up a couple of random issues starring characters you're not familiar with:


Random Comic Read

I had this brilliant idea for a blog. I would choose a random comic from DC and one from Marvel and use them as a basis to rant about the inaccessibility of the big two to the new comic reader. And to be honest I had lots of this rant prepared already because it's one I do a lot in real life.

It started out well as when I went to the comic shop to choose these random issues, I stood in front of the comics and I had a little panic. I had no idea what I was looking at, there were about half a dozen comics just with Batman in the title! Some had Dark Reign written above them - what does that even mean? I felt like a fraud, so I asked for help, and I really want to thank Reagan in the Travelling Man for rescuing me and reverently handing me an issue of Thunderbolts and telling me that it was a two issue mini series and I would not regret it (but then running away and telling me I was on my own with the DC choice!).

So today I read Thunderbolts #128 and #129 written by Andy Diggle with Roberto De La Torre on art and I knew I was on a loser with my rant almost immediately. For a start the writer is Andy Diggle and I have read some of his 2000AD work and I know he's good (he was Tharg for goodness sake). I open the first issue and the art is great, I really like it, and I have to say the story is cracking.

Norman Osborn is head of HAMMER and the new President is a little concerned about the amount of power this gives him, especially when Doc Samson has allegations to make. A political intrigue, a spy story with enough twist's to keep you on your toes and a crack team of villains aka Thunderbolts making sure that Osborn's power quest is not scuppered.

Now you don't have to be a Marvel fanatic to know who Norman Osborn is so I am okay with that… I do in fact recognise the new President of the United States too so I'm feeling full of the smarts. But actually they are the only characters I do recognise, I don't know who Antman is (but I like him, he is full of naughty!) or Black Widow, or The Ghost, or any of the others - but it really doesn't matter. And at the end of issue 129 there is a little character breakdown, telling you the names of all the characters as well as their aliases (if known).

So will I be reading more? Well my problem is that this issue ends with the line, "Next: 'Magnum Opus' part 1 in Deadpool #8". What's that then? Do I have to have read issues 1-7? Why isn't the story continuing in Thunderbolts, and do I have to know Deadpool to make sense of the next part of the story? How much is that going to cost me, with single issues clocking in at about £2.20 at the moment? Also who are the Dark Avengers mentioned in passing, and do I have to read that too? And right there is your inaccessibility. I really enjoyed this story but have no idea where to go to read more. I don't feel the need to rant, I just feel a little bit sad.

Oh and if you are wondering - the DC title I picked up was Wonder Woman written by Gail Simone. I have to find a cheaper hobby, I really do.


Thunderbolts image courtesy of Marvel.

This is a personal article by Stacey Whittle, one of our new bloggers - read more about our volunteer contributors on this dedicated page.

Are you following Thunderbolts, Deadpool or the Dark Avengers? What about other Marvel titles - and do you have any tips about DC's Wonder Woman? Let the world know what you'd advise new comics buyers in the thread below...


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What a clever blog idea, Stace! Love it. You know I'm a fan of the Buffy comics... ha ha... and also have read the Superman comics since I was a kid. I've never collected comics, but I do pick one up now and then. You've inspired me to start a collection. Thanks! :)

Posted by Kyle Harker (127.0.0.1) on March 07, 2009 at 05:41 PM GMT #

It's... Always difficult, because issue 128 IS a decent jumping on point. However as you pointed out there's a LOT of stuff going on in the Marvel Universe at the moment, and almost all of it revolves around Norman Osbourne.

As someone who actually does read Deadpool I can say that ultimately the story isn't overtly convoluted, but they have been hinting for a while that there would be a crossover before it got sorted.

Also let me say I enjoyed the blog, and thought it was a clever idea.

Posted by eocine (127.0.0.1) on March 07, 2009 at 06:13 PM GMT #

Great idea for a blog, Stace. I love mainstream comics as much as the next big fat geek boy, but even I've been almost completely alienated by the Big Two's recent Event/crossover/maxiseries fever.

At Marvel I've been enjoying titles that skirt around the perifery of the events or operate largely autonomously (SHE-HULK, X-FACTOR, CAPTAIN AMERICA, DAREDEVIL, RUNAWAYS, IRREDEEMABLE ANT-MAN, ASTONISHING X-MEN) but titles like these sem to be getting whittled (not blaming you there) down.

It does speak volumes that you had to ask for help in order to find something accessible.

...hey wait! "asked for help"? I thought it was supposed to be a RANDOM selection? Cheater cheater Liefield reader! :-P

Posted by Lee Grice (127.0.0.1) on March 07, 2009 at 08:23 PM GMT #

This blog is AKA the precise reason I've never read a comic or graphic novel. Why exactly are they made this way? Imagine Granny Weatherwax turning up in Maine for a few chapters of Stephen King's latest. Or trying to buy a China Mieville starting at book 127.

Posted by Jamie Starbuck (127.0.0.1) on March 07, 2009 at 09:57 PM GMT #

I got back into comics again recently, and am about halfway through the Sandman (which I've never read before and think it utterly amazing); yet when I tried to read Green Lantern:Reirth, altough I liked it I found it hard to work out what to read next.

Very relevant blog - well done!

Posted by Ian Manning (127.0.0.1) on March 07, 2009 at 10:55 PM GMT
Website: http://www.vieresidents.org.uk #

Cool! Glad you enjoyed Thunderbolts as its the title I'm currently pimping the hell out of whenever anyone asks for an ongoing recommendation.

As for the Deadpool thing, I've been reading that as well and the last issue ended with a mirror of the last Thunderbolts so I wouldnt say you had to read 1-7 to get whats gonna happen.
That said... 1-7 are some fun comics.

Posted by Richard McAuliffe (127.0.0.1) on March 08, 2009 at 12:59 AM GMT
Website: http://welshbluemeanie.blogspot.com/ #

Jamie, in my opinion that's like saying you don't read books cos you don't like encyclopedia's!

Posted by stace (127.0.0.1) on March 08, 2009 at 03:24 PM GMT #

As an anally retentive completist, this blog highlights the reasons I generally go for set, closed runs, such as Watchmen / Preacher / Sandman / Transmetropolitan / Invisibles, et cetera. Too scared to enter the ongoing worlds of your Bats/Supes/Spideys, 'cos I'd have to start at the beginning. And I'd have to become a near-immortal supervillain with near infinite ill-gotten gains to do that.

Hmm, you've given me an idea there ...

Posted by Me (127.0.0.1) on March 08, 2009 at 09:09 PM GMT #

Stace: you may have a point....One day I will get off my buttocks. One day.

Posted by Jamie Starbuck (127.0.0.1) on March 08, 2009 at 09:32 PM GMT #

"I really enjoyed this story but have no idea where to go to read more."

Didn't you answer your own question? Deadpool 8, Thunderbolts 130, Possibly Dark Avengers and back issues of Deadpool. Then you have all the other Dark Reign titles...

This is how they cleverly suck you into the universe and you end up buying more comics - not because you *have* to (you could have just read those 2 issues, enjoyed the story and been done), but because you *want* to in order to find out more about the characters and events.

Posted by Johnson (127.0.0.1) on March 09, 2009 at 09:24 AM GMT #

I too used to suffer from the "I'd like to read comics but I wouldn't know where to start" syndrome... and the lack of money syndrome.

I found my solution in the local library... I've moved around a bit but I can say confidently that in Lancashire, South East Wales and Somerset the libraries stock trade paperbacks (tpbs) - often the answer to both problems. Not only do they cost nowt (hurrah!) but they are grouped issues which usually (admittedly not always) tell a complete story. An added bonus is that where the story is told across several lines (Batman being a particular sinner in this respect) these are all grouped together in the tpb. Because of this discovery I have read stories across both universes about many of the major characters and teams, mainstream and "off-beat". Green Arrow, WonderWoman, Batman, Spiderman, The Ultimates, The Authority, JLA, to name just a few. I've discovered teams I'd never heard of, and fallen in love with a few of them (JSA). I've even graduated from reading the books in the library to buying my own copies in one instance (James Robinson's Starman)

DC comics helpfully usually (though not always) provide a "story so far" and a "who's who" at the start of the books which helps me jump in. Marvel I have found less accessible because they don't bother with that... and don't get me started on the need to understand the Xmen back story - I loved reading Joss Whedon's run on Astonishing Xmen but honestly the rest of the books leave me in a state of confusion.

The one draw back I've found is that it takes a long time for a "new" release to hit the library shelves... but that allows me to catch up... and I could always fill in a request form and pay my 50p... the big advantage is that the books themselves are often picked by either library staff who are also fans (I found this out whilst chatting about my choices at the check out desk), or by customers who are also fans... this means I effectively have access to a quorum of comic book "pushers" picking the best choices for me.
Highly recommend this strategy to any other comic book newbies

Posted by liz (127.0.0.1) on March 09, 2009 at 11:04 AM GMT #

Hi Liz, thats really good advice if you have a good library (Newcastle Central Library comic section is ace - and I am missing it as the building is being refurbished at the mo, and South Shields Central is apalling for comics) it is a great way to read lots for less.

I guess I should have emphasised that I am not a newbie comic reader, I've been reading for years - but I have never read any Marvel and very little DC(proper) stuff. I am a Vertigo/Dark Horse/Indie and Small Press fan. I did however feel very much like a big giant newbie trying to make sense of the Marvel/DC section in the comic shop. It is incredibly intimidating to the new reader.

Posted by stace (127.0.0.1) on March 09, 2009 at 11:15 AM GMT #

Can't be arsed with all that waiting for the next issue malarky.

As a Supernatural fan (and BTW - Mr Golder, there are straight male SPN fans in THIS universe!) I bought the first prequel series one at a time and realised I have no patience for it. Give me one of those nice shiny paperback collections any day of the week. (Although at least the comics can go in the recycling I suppose...)

Posted by Hugh Jass (127.0.0.1) on March 09, 2009 at 12:56 PM GMT #

As a true Marvelite let me jump into this discussion and say that I believe any virgin comic reader can access both Marvel and DC from any point in time, although they probably would be put off if they picked up issue #4 in a 12 issue crossover, I think even I'd struggle with that as a newbie.

I started my collection proper about 10 years ago on a visit to Forbidden Planet and picked up a few issues from their back issues section, which is sometimes a cheaper oprion in the current climate as the issues can cost less than £2.00 each. My method was simply to pick the comics with the most interesting covers which lead me to the X-Men and Operation: Zero Tolerance, from there I discovered I wanted to know more about these characters and their worlds and everytime I was in Forbidden Planet or similar store I'd try and track down more issues.

From there my collection has grown and I'm still tracking down back issues to this day. Some of these gaps have been filled with TPB's as Liz mentioned (you can pick up early X-Men stories under the Essential title for about £10 online or less on ebay) to the extent that I have pretty much got all the comics I was after now.

Posted by Pete (127.0.0.1) on March 09, 2009 at 02:28 PM GMT #

Just got back into reading comics, but pretty much sticking to graphic novels for simplicity. I have to say that I enjoyed Infinite Crisis, and am enjoying Civil War. I should have started reading Civil War before Secret Invasion, but I'm getting the idea.

Posted by Jamie Lundy (127.0.0.1) on March 09, 2009 at 08:58 PM GMT #

It's not really random if you take someone's opinion, is it? Surely that's filtering it through a "is it a good book filter". That's not a bad idea, but I had fears/hopes that you'd be picking up one of the more recent episodes of "Dark Reign: Avengers The Initiative Disassembled", which is coming to the end of its current massive storyarc, and is thus totally incomprehensible.

Posted by 127.0.0.1 on March 10, 2009 at 11:04 AM GMT #

Oh, and let's be clear, there should be no argument that a comic about a bunch of Z-listers fighting a clone of Thor, before Justice, who used to be Marvel Boy of the original New Warriors, steals the corpse of MVP, who's at the peak of physical perfection due to good diet and strict training, is comprehensible to someone who hasn't been reading since issue 1... well, you get my point.

Posted by deworde (127.0.0.1) on March 10, 2009 at 11:17 AM GMT #

It is a great comic, though. Just read the trades first.

Posted by deworde (127.0.0.1) on March 10, 2009 at 11:20 AM GMT #

You're right it's not really random if you ask for help. But I think I would have still be stood there panicking with a blank brain had I not asked.

Also it was kind of nice not to be able to use the preconcieved notions that I had of complete incomprehension, you can read this comic as a newbie, it will make some sort of sense. I was very surprised by that. In a good way.

Posted by stace (127.0.0.1) on March 10, 2009 at 11:34 AM GMT #

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